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Question: Skipped beats and stress, lack of sleep
| Cryogen
- Tue Mar 08, 2005 10:42 am |
Wow, it's good to know I'm not the only one with these symptoms. I have exactly what one of the posters on this forum described in terms of skipped beats, and we're even similar in terms of what led to it: same lifestyle, same causes (stress, lack of sleep), all of it.
I've been to a cardiologist and gotten an EKG, Echocardiogram, and stress test performed; all of them came back normal. I've found a direct correlation between how much stress/little sleep I get and what happens I'm scared to death; just tonight (this morning?), after having stayed up too late I felt as if I were zoning out and was brought back to a very sharp, clear frame of mind by the feeling of a skipped beat. There was no clenching feeling, though there was a very slight, low-grade pain in my chest that seemed to build up slowly right before the skipped beat. It's a horrible feeling; my heart simply *stopped,* and if I hadn't gasped and jumped I have an awful feeling it wouldn't have started again. I felt somewhat oxygen-deprived before and could not make a full yawn. Realizing that tiredness is the probable cause, I immediately went to bed. I cannot lie on my front or my back without this happening right now, and as I started to doze off I felt as if I were slipping out of consciousness and then felt the delayed or skipped beat again. As of now I'm sitting in my RA's room typing this up on his PC because I don't want to be alone or in the dark feeling like this. I've noticed that being tense and tired seems to make this happen more often, and that I have a slight pain in my back at the exact same level as what feels like my heart. Additionally, I have had times where there *was* the kind of clenching sensation the original poster described.
I keep seeing people say that this is harmless, that if all my tests are green then I should just try to ignore it, but I *can't.* This is driving me absolutely up the wall and I cannot sleep for fear of having another attack...and the lack of sleep will only serve to make it more likely that I will have another. I can't take any more of this...please help me. Professional reassurance that this is not deadly (if indeed it is not) would go a long way toward alleviating my fear; if I know that the single skipped beats are annoying but not dangerous I will be much more at ease. If I can be truthfully assured that my heart will not stop, or need me to "jump start" it when a beat skips/is delayed, I will feel much safer and less stressed. Please reply soon...I don't know how much more of this I can take. I'm constantly feeling my wrist for a pulse and am hyper-aware of my heartbeat almost all the time.
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| RichardC
- Tue Mar 08, 2005 1:07 pm |
Hey Cryogen,
Did you say that you have the same "skipped beats" I feel? I'm willing to help you understand this as far as I can too because yes it is a worry, but I think if yours is also related to stress as mine is (as far as I believe), we can solve this pretty quick.
Since posting here I've gone from having mild to noticable "skipped beats" as I described previously, to having bearly any. I know for a fact that my lifestyle was probably the main cause and I know for a fact if you are able to calm yourself to a minimum you will be absolutely fine! Everyone experiences Anxiety, I know that:p I used to scare myself silly when I was younger whenever I was left alone but that wasnt prolonged emotional stress as I have experienced in the last couple of years.
As I know myself, ANY thing is of great help. I've been in your shoes and I'm still trying to work myself out of them. The best thing I could say to you would be to look at what stresses you out. Being around people is one of the most important things to reducing stress in my view.
Do you ever notice that your mind is distracted around people and you don't notice it as much, whereas being idle causes you to dwell on it more and thus have bigger onsets?
Age and life experience is also of great help. I'm 19 now, and feel independent in my life and hold my own responsiblities. I am unsure of your age so its hard for me to say, but if you are young, which (no offence intended) you sound it from what I have read you need great social attachment.
This can be bad though as I have found because you can do the complete opposite in excitable situations and trust me, it will cause the same "skipped beats" you feel!
Listening to the physicians advice will help a lot here and I'll keep posting to help you out on this, anything you want to ask just fire away because I still need to build in my own mind connections to its outlining cause.
Theres so many things I could say in one post but I cant put them in any sort of order without really thinking about it.
All I can say to you is find some other focus, blame your "skipped beats" on a certain type of food if you wish, something you really dislike. Just try to distract yourself, and avoid, as the physician says, any type of stress and see what happens. Get more sleep too!
Saying that when you laid down caused those skipped beats, SAME here! If I laid on my back or front it only induced them worse and worse. If I took a sudden deep breathe even, that could cause it! If I JUMPED ON THE SPOT!, caused it. One reason is because (in my view) you are so tense and stressed. I've taken out the stress and bang, I can lay down fine now without feeling it.
This may seem a bit jumbled as I don't have much time, but I'll keep checking this everyday, I'm around to help you out too:p.
RichardC
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| Cryogen
- Tue Mar 08, 2005 9:42 pm |
Oh, it makes perfect sense...I'm so glad I'm not the only one with this problem. Like you said, yes, relaxing makes it easier and less likely to happen. I slept a good 8 or 9 hours (missed class but oh well) and woke up feeling much better. It' definitely caused by stress and lack of sleep.
I'm also intrigued that you made the connection between social life (or lack thereof) and this problem...because I came to the exact same conclusion before. I was taking too much on myself and had practically zero social life, and humas weren't meant to be alone like that. So I joined my uni's Facebook, made like 6 friends in 2 days, and have been feeling much better. So much, in fact, that I decided to force myself to go to all my classes yesterday despite not having much sleep. And last night/ths morning, as you know, was when this happened again. I can definitely link lack of sleep and stress (even a good thing can be stressful) to the skipped beats. But being around people or otherwise occupied definitely helps take my mind off it, and the fact that I've rarely had attacks in a non-stressful social situation helps me rule out the possibility of a really serious cardiac problem combined with my test results (knock wood...).
It's really bizarre how much our situations mimic one another, too...the only real difference is it was my grandmother who died. We're both 19, at college, very clean-living compared to most...uncanny. I was worried I was having a Heart attack when this first happened, and one of the dominant thoughts was "What the hell?! I don't drink, smoke, do drugs, even take a lot of caffiene or eat hardly any red meat...what did I do to deserve this?" If you know conclusively whether these are deadly or not, please, please tell me so I can stop worrying so much...it feels like being under a perpetual stay of execution.
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| Seacluded
- Wed Mar 09, 2005 3:57 am |
Richard,
My sister has every single symptom that you've described and she explains these episodes as "I feel as if I'm going to die." She started having the skipped beats etc after a long period of extreme stress, much like post traumatic stress disorder.
She has since been diagnosed with Panic disorder and her heart has been declared as A-OK. Since she has learned how to manage her disorder through breathing exercises and relaxation techniques she has the episodes less frequently. They have never subsided completely but she has learned how to manage them.
Before this it was kind of a cycle she was in. She would get a Panic attack out of the blue, become worried and fearful about it which brought on more panic, which made her more fearful and made her feel worse until she was in the emergency room thinking she was going into cardiac arrest.
Now that she knows her heart is healthy and that it is Panic disorder she attempts to stay calm, relaxes, and in about 15 minutes she's back to her old self.
From your past experiences I can see that you were under an extreme amount of stress which can build up and then you're on overload, like my sister. She's much better since heart problems were ruled out and she realized exactly what's causing her problems. I wish you luck with yours.
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| RichardC
- Wed Mar 09, 2005 4:29 pm |
Firsty, thanks John for your post about your sister. It's very reassuring like Cryogen says to know that there are others out there that experience these same symptoms.
As an update, I can successfully say I have identified the stress in my life and eliminated it. I'm actually still under some stress obviously, but not enough to induce the "skipped beats" thus far. I think dealing with stress is the big key, instead of completely avoiding it to the point where you never get anything done! hehe. But I'm not saying don't be sensible in lowering your stress levels.
Cyrogen, you say "So much, in fact, that I decided to force myself to go to all my classes yesterday despite not having much sleep" - in your last post. Be careful about pushing yourself too hard as this can, in my view, just induce stress to provoke "skipped beats" - But saying that, now I have eliminated my main source of stress, any provoking seems dealable. Mass emotional stress is what caused mine, and even if I forgot about it, it could still loom and induce them which would cause a hell of a lot of confusion as I'd be like "Well what the hell, I took out the stress why can't I relax?" In all honesty I hadent eliminated it and I knew it! Just think about what REALLY stresses you out at any given moment and either completely stop doing it or avoid any chance of it reoccuring.
Social attachment is very important as you say Cryogen, just don't over do it at this stage:p I'm not, but as I say above im just learning to deal with it. I still think about my heart and its rhythm a lot, I suppose so much is to be expected I guess? But that doesnt induce them:p.
Keep filling me in on how things are going for you. I'll continue posting here as I say, and yeah, it is weird with our situaton isnt it Cryogen? Same age and stuff?? :p
Thanks again John.
Hope things are going well your end Cryogen.
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| Tiberia
- Mon Apr 11, 2005 11:03 am |
This web site has given my life back to me I had given hope, I was thinking that it was only me in this huge world who is having problems like me. I'll say thank u to "RichardC" who has explained what is happening strangely to people like me " RichardC" " HeatherJ" and may be so many more... "RichardC" has explained things very clearly it is very strange that I am having same kind of situations like "RichardC" my problems also snatched me when I was 13 y old and it also started with the illness of my mother and father . My reports of ECG and ultrasound was 100% normal and my BP is also alway normal...the story of "RichardC" and mine is just same I was also having same kind of problems but thanx to God that my mother and father are alive and they love and pray for me all the time...
Dear "RichardC" I am thankful to you that you started this thread in this great forum I was looking for the answer on the net for the past 3 years and I never found any story like me and "RichardC" on the net. I am thankful to "doctorslounge.
com" and " RichardC"+ " HeatherJ" who posted here...because of them I also found my answer...
Maybe " RichardC" + " HeatherJ" and I should keep in touch with each other and tell about their problems and experiences regarding those strange heart flutters it is very hard to explain it to a doctor...
But " RichardC" has explained it very well..
I'll like to tell " RichardC" +"HeatherJ" and any other who is having same kind of problems to calm down and to live a happy life... May be the cure is in our own hands as " RichardC" has said when he becomes happy the heart fluttering goes away I think the only cure to it is to be happy this is my experience also...
Thank u again " RichardC" and keep it up I know that it is not a dangerous illness one day we'll get out of these things...I am sure because my grand mother was also having these problems but when she died she was 85+ years old and that is enough life to live
8)
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| HeatherJ
- Wed Apr 27, 2005 1:18 am |
Update on my irregular heart beats - Just incase anyone is frantically searching for information on Skipped heart beats - I ended up going to see my Doctor. They referred me to a Cardiologist - I had to wear an "Event Heart Monitor" for 30 days , I would record an episode and transmit it to the Department and mailed the heart monitor back after 30 days - Went to see my doctor last night for the results - They basically said its just an "Irregular heartbeat" PVC I believe she said with a flutter - Contractions with flutters. Nothing to worry about. I could go on a very low dose of Tropal ( spelling? ) which is prescribed to people with high blood pressure, but didnt have to if I didnt want to. I don't have high blood pressure and the Irregular heart beats now come and go..so I am just getting used to it now and dealing with it that way. She said there is absolutely nothing to worry about at all...Im thankful I went to check it out as it has finally put my mind at ease.
Good luck to everyone. :)
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| Miko2097
- Mon Aug 08, 2005 5:38 pm |
Hello everybody.
I have been having a severe problem for just over a year and a half now. I am 22 years old and I do not smoke, I drink only once every while when I do go into town (few months between) and I certainly do not use drugs. I must say that until about january in 2004 I was living well and feeling healthy. I had no Anxiety other than not having a job and recieving grief for it (understandably). Suddenly, however, things changed one night when I was downstairs on my PC playing a game. I was sitting there having what seemed to be a normal and enjoyable game when suddenly a feeling of dread came across me. My face and head went funny and my chest became abnormally light feeling. I tried to nod this off but soon noticed my heart rate was seriously abnormal and soon I went dizzy-ish in the head and dry in the mouth. Now I know these are classic Anxiety symptoms and I appreciate that some of the affects during that episode were brought on by my mental response to this trouble (the dry mouth etc). I didn't allow myself to panic and did not seek doctor examination. I simply allowed this to pass. Now this was just the first day I noticed something of this sort. Let me tell you about the problem...
I have always just trusted my body to sort something and never took anything to fix a problem (pain killers etc). I have been relativley healthy during my life and grew to be physically stronger than most people I knew. I've always exercised well and ate nice foods as well as appreciating junk foods on occasion. Now when something like what I explained occured I would just accept it as a one time twitch and get on with my day.
But here's where my problem lies: I have since this day suffered from a number of new problems. After about 2 months from that day I visted a doctor. I had started suffering from Chest pains and Headaches etc. I explained to the doctor that I was not panicking considering the symptoms and that I always knew about the effects of stress and Anxiety - I notied this to him so that he'd appreciate that I was not just a typical 'wind up' and flying in the GP door for the slightest twinge! The doctor checked my blood pressure and my heart with a stethoscope. He concluded that it all seemed fine. He advised me to take Ibuprofen for the pains and told me not to worry. So I just put up with these 'irregular heart rythms' and Chest pains etc and, admittedly, began taking the odd Aspirin (I read they we're good for heart in case of clots) instead of the Ibuprofen advised. Soon my symptoms worried me beyond resistance. I began noticing my fitness was declining (despite my exercising) and that I was waking up extremly tired and pale etc. My pains became very serious - they shot an involuntary panic right through me and caused sweat on palms and painful tingles (like nipping pains). I was breathless at times without explanation. I'd puff out when eating cereal etc. I was dead after short running bursts during football with mates (I used to be alot fitter just a year ago). My left arm started getting funny 'nervous numbness' (trapped nerve feeling) in tricept and pains in fingers and wrist. My head got really sore and I got visual disturbances (very bright little white lights would float about outta nowhere - only last about 20 secs mind). I went to see doctor again and this time he gave me ECG... Turned out fine (my heart was perfect that day!!! Steady rythm!) and as result he figured I was ok again and pinned Anxiety on me and offered a Beta blocker drug to control adrenalin etc. I refused to accept this because I do not trust diving into treatment which could screw me up when I've barely been physically checked. I made myself feel better by thinking that if, despite all these troubles, I haven't collapsed or died that it can't possibly be serious. But this didn't stop a thing. I soon got a problem which drove me to going to A&E (accident & emergency). I began getting a heart rythm problem which was worse than any other I ever had. It came on upon first going into bed. When lying straight it would become seriously messed up and my stomach would feel funny and head would go strange when trying to ignore it (the blood itself wasn't being pumped right).
Here's an example of it:
.......O....O..OO..OOOO...............O...O...OOO.....OO
(.'s being small very fast beats and O's being large booming thuding beats). This would last up until I sat up - which was normally quickly due to getting worried.
The pattern is too dodgy and too different each time. Some days I have Slow heart ( I'll feel tired and weak) and others I have fast pounding (feel anxious - yet this is not reason for hard heart beat with adrenalin) and yet others I get very fast and shallow heart beats (feel faint and light and eyes feel strained). For me to be told to ignore this is hell! It cannot be ignored. A&E checked me with ECG and said same thing. Nothing wrong! I should've went when it was happening and not waiting until next day!
So I just got on with it and made the most of the times when I did feel good. But not recieving answers, I soon started to became very angry. I questioned my sanity on it; wondering if it was all in my head. My mates were making me climb the wall with anger when they'd call me a hypocondraic and that I was being a sap to the 'slightest pains'. They couldn't appreciate what was happening to me. This started ruining my life. I would be playing pool when suddenly I'd go all sick and weak feeling and get pains and become breathless, then due to sitting out the game to this, my mates would become annoyed with me. I must fix this! It's weakening me now. I used to be alive and well just before this started! Now I'm physically weaker and mentally weaker too! I must figure this out! It's definately getting worse.
Thank you all.
P.
S Sorry if I may have left out certain details. Maybe I'll reply.
Michael
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| Lel
- Mon Sep 12, 2005 9:06 am |
Hi - I don't mean to hijack anybodies thread but I have a question that has been bothering me for a few days now. I have recently been getting a fluttering feeling under my left ribcage towards my back. It happens every couple of seconds - it almost feels like a rumbling feeling or a groaning. It has been there consistently for about 3 days now. It is not similar to palpitations as I have had these in the past it's a mix of twitching, rumbling or bursting bubbles is the only way to describe it. Should I be concerned? Thank you.
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| wheezer36
- Fri Sep 23, 2005 6:40 pm |
I'm wondering if I could have a heart problem that is undiagnosed, if so, what tests would I need? I'm 36, female, 5,
2, 150 lbs. I have Asthma like symptoms (last 4 years) that are very severe and which is not relieved by medication, have been hospitalized with hypoxia and dehydration (separately) numerous times, pain in the center and far left of chest, Cough up large amounts of clear to yellowish mucus, non pitting edema from feet to mid thigh (last three months), flushing (face, chest, shoulders) episodes, toes & feet turn blue when sitting. Recently I have had episodes where I will be sitting and something happens, difficult to describe..either my eyes move rapidly or they roll back for a couple of seconds (can't see but colors), makes me nauseous and feels like someone jerked me out of my body for a second. Have had EKG, chest xray, chest CT with contrast, all negative. Blood count shows elevated white blood cells and high eosinophils. Oximetry (?) shows SO2 levels drop significantly when walking...sometimes I do feel light headed when walking, get very pale in face. Doctors have no idea what is wrong but know something is.
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| jewie27
- Mon Sep 26, 2005 1:56 am |
sometimes I get this tingle in my chest right by my heart. it feels like the muscle or skin has a 2 second pulse of low voltage electricity going through it. it doesn't even hurt. after a second or two it goes away. when I get it, it only happens once or twice during the day. my sister has it sometimes too, her doctor said it's "normal" and nothing is wrong.
I'm 23 years old in good health and normal body weight. I'm able to do any physical activity including running with no problems. I play sports as much as possbile.
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| caldude
- Mon Sep 26, 2005 4:16 pm |
Hi I am new to this forum but wish someone could help me about this problem I've been having lately.
I am a 21 year old male, college student. Only history of heart disease is Stroke in my grandparents. For the past week I've been having more an more discomfort in my chest. First couple of days, I only had it when I woke up or went to bed. Then since Tuesday I've been having it much of the day. Along with that my heart seems to be beating faster than normal, making me break into sweats at times including at night. The discomfort is mainly in the left side and is hard to describe. Generally it feels raw, like some object is crawling around. Sometimes I feel it coming from my heart, going up or down my esophogus and I get a lumpy feeling at the notch of my throat and upper chest, exacerbated by swallowing. The sensation makes me belch somestimes. I don't have any pain except that it hurts when I press on my left armpit. The feelings come and go. Sometimes I also get needle feelings in my fingers.
Worried it could be a heart problem, I saw my doctor Wednesday who did an EKG, chest xray, and listened to my heart. My EKG had a slight ST elevation, but everything else was normal. Went back 2 days later where I did another EKG, same result as before. He told me the ST elevation could mean possible MI, but said it was common in young males and my symptoms due to Anxiety. True I have been stressed about school and I was very worried about this, but even after his reassurance and tried to relax, I still feel those constricted feelings in my chest. My doctor says it might be GERD, but I don't have any Heartburn and taking a Zantac didn't seem to help. Could my problem be something quite serious? Should I see another doctor or would Anxiety really cause all these odd symptoms?
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| PSVT
- Fri Oct 14, 2005 2:32 pm |
Hello. I am a 30 yr old mother of two. During the 2nd pregnancy I started having, what I know know to be Panic attacks, during the last trimester. After a series of testing, the cardiologist diagnosed me with PFO, administered Toprol from 2 months, I had a healthy baby, and all symptoms went away. Exactly 1 year later (nearly 10 weeks ago) I started having these attacks again. The symptoms are heart racing, Shortness of breath, palpitations, Headache, dizziness, Nausea, and eventually hyperventallating. My family Dr. diagnosed me with Anxiety. I never thought or felt it was Anxiety. I first started out taking Lexapro 20 mg / daily and Xanax 1mg / as needed. After 6 weeks, I was still having these horrible attacks and was ordered to change meds to Zoloft 100 mg / daily and Ativan ?mg / as needed. I've had chest x-rays, MRI of the head, visited a Neurologist, wore a 24 hr Holter monitor, worn a 2 week event recorder, had an electrocardiogram, then another with a bubble study, have had an EKG, and have seen 2 different cardiologist. The second cardiologist diagnosed me with PSVT. My resting heart rate would get as high as 184 bpm. I have been taking taking a double dosage channel blocker, Cartia, for over a month and still have the exact same symptoms everyday. I have an attack 2 and 3 times a day. I am now bouting insomnia and having to take sleeping pills everynight.
Each Dr. states that the PSVT and the Panic disorder are not related. I decided to research this myself on the web and found site after site of "misdiagnosis of Panic disorder to be PSVT. (http://www.
pslgroup.
com/dg/20702.
htm and http://www.
adenocard.
com/no3.
html )
This is severly affecting my life at work, home, travel, family, and friends. I know this is not a life threatening illness, but I cannot keep on feeling this way. I see the cariologist again today and will request that he revisit the subject of the two being related. Do you have knowledge of the relationship of PSVT and Panic disorder? Could this be something more serious?
Sincerely,
PSVT
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| Goofy
- Mon Oct 24, 2005 10:01 am |
It is ironic but to read that some many people have similar problems kind of makes me feel better. But I am sure you would all agree you would not wish this on anyone. I understand the rules of this site are to not make multiple entries but in the week or so since I originally posted my responses under “cardiology” I have had some significant and dramatic changes to my condition. Like many, my doctor suggests I have some sort of panic, or Anxiety disorder. I feel this is a great “fall back” when nothing else can be explained even though I have been diagnosed with Wenckebach Heart Block (5:4) and an Echo showed LVH of 13mm. I am 31 yo male, non smoker, minimal drinker, do not intake caffeine. There is no doubt in my mind panic/ Anxiety is part of the problem as I have had 2-3 “episodes” where I thought I was having a Heart attack or similar and have been taken to hospital in an ambulance. Now I feel dizzy every waking moment. This varies from feeling like I am suddenly jolted forwards or back to feeling like I am on the deck of a ship, sometimes this is worse when I move. An MRI of my neck showed nothing out of place. I also feel “nerve” type pain on and around my sternum and around my lower ribs, often quite badly and this can be a constant ache to a sudden sharp stabbing pain. Like Cryogen I often feel sharp pain around the same level of my heart but to the left and right of my spine. I constantly feel palpitations. I cannot remember not feeling them recently. In most cases I can strongly feel my pulse in my throat (the soft area between your collar bones) and minutes later I will barely feel it at all. Sometimes the heavy beats will last for 3-6 hours. At times I can barely feel a pulse in my wrist also. Then, even without any activity I will feel it strong enough that without touching my throat or wrist I can take my pulse by just looking at a clock. Further to this in a 15-30 second interval I may feel my heart beat regularly, then 3-6 beats will be very very fast, then it will slow again. At one stage I was on an ECG and the bpm displayed was jumping from the mid 80s to over 110 and then would jump back down to the 70s and back to the 90s over a 10-20 second period. The ECG was normal but based on this I was taken to hospital. Nothing found!. As of 4 days ago I have experienced similar problems to Richard C. That is, I will feel as though my chest has suddenly had a balloon fill in it from behind the sternum. Then I will feel as though there is nothing, no pain, no feeling then I will feel a sensation diagonally up from my sternum to my left shoulder. This all occurs in 3-5 seconds and I am sure my heart does not beat once during this. Then WHAM it is all released and I feel dizzy and nauseated for 10-15minutes. This happened once after climbing 20 or so stairs, the other time I was seated and had been for 15-30minutes prior. On top of this, during and after 20minutes of exercise, which I have been doing daily for 2 years, my heart rate has peaked at more than 160 per minute. With even more exertion in the past I have never exceeded 130-140bpm. I would really appreciate a professional providing me with some advice here. I am returning to my doctor this week and want to ask for 1) a Loop Recorder to hopefully catch what the Holter Monitor has not, and/ or 2) a stress Echo (I have had an Echo and told I have LVH 13mm) and/or 3) an EPS. Assuming this was purely Anxiety or panic would I be feeling constant pain and/ or palpitations. Aren’t these more specific to “attacks”, albeit they could be frequent. As the pain and palpitations is frequent, and becoming more so, as well as becoming evident and painful with exercise suggest a not yet identified heart problem. Like most on this site I am seeking even that little bit of reassurance I am not going to see this worsen and drop dead before I am treated.
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| rmaco
- Sat Feb 04, 2006 2:05 am |
I am 33 yo male and had major Panic attacks for years until I learned to overcome them. I have always been weary of that these Panic attack were of themselves and not a side effect of something else. I have been recently diagnosed with a very large PFO that I am having closed through a catheter next Tuesday and from all the research I have done I find it surprising at how many of the symptoms of this I have blamed on the Panic attacks. If you have not had a bubble test done to see if you have a pfo. Another thing you may want to have check that no doctor every had me check is your adrenal gland, there is a problem where a tumor can grow on it and cause Panic attack like symptoms and it is diagnosed with a simple urine test.
For info on pfos check out our support group on yahoo groups at http://health.
groups.
yahoo.
com/group/PFOSupport/
Info on adrenal glands can be found here
http://www.
endocrineweb.
com/adrenal.
html
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